Commission Meeting

of

STATE HOUSE COMMISSION

LOCATION:

Room 319
State House
Trenton, NJ

DATE: December 13, 2001
9:00 a.m.

MEMBERS OF COMMISSION PRESENT:

Devon L. Graf, Chair
(Representing Acting Governor Donald T. DiFrancesco)

Senator Walter J. Kavanaugh, Vice-Chair

Assemblyman Leonard Lance

Assemblyman Anthony Impreveduto

Carmen Armenti
(Representing Peter R. Lawrance)

Charlene M. Holzbaur



ALSO PRESENT:

Edward R. McGlynn, Secretary

Robert J. Shaughnessy Jr., Counsel

Barry Lefkowitz

President

Management Government Resources, Inc., and

Representing Orleans Homebuilders 8



Meryl A. G. Gonchar, Esq.

Greenbaum, Rowe, Smith, Ravin, Davis, and Himmel

Representing

Orleans Homebuilders 10



Stefany Wolfe, Esq.

Bateman, Coley, Yospin, Kunzman, Davis, and Lehrer

Representing

Clinton Township 13



Anthony R. Mazzella

Associate Director

Office of Intergovernmental Affairs

Division of Property Management and Construction

New Jersey Department of the Treasury 15



Cheryl Mills

Chairman

Friends of Homeless Animals 16



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SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I always like to start on time.

I was hoping that we'd get the number to start and have a quorum. But the fact that we don't have -- but we do have three members--

MR. McGLYNN (Secretary): We have four.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Oh, four. Excuse me. We also have the Assistant Treasurer here. So we're short one. But what we can do is get started and then we can--

We'll ask Counsel--

MR. McGLYNN: They'll be here.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: We always can go back.

But that's to try to help those of you here on schedules that have to be somewhere else. You're here because we were to start at 9:00. It's not typical of State government. I'm going to go to a meeting-- The next meeting was supposed to start at 11:00, and I guarantee it will be at 12:30, if the chairman will show up.

But I always start on time. So, at this time, we have met the Open Public Meetings Act. It's been published and distributed through the State House press.

And we'll now call the roll, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. DEVON L. GRAF (Chair): Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Senator and Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: And Assemblyman Impreveduto and Senator-elect and Assemblyman Leonard Lance are on their way.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Okay. Let's have a motion for approval of the minutes of the State House Commission of September 17.

MR. McGLYNN: We have a quorum. Senator-elect and Assemblyman Lance is here.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Senator-elect, presently Assemblyman Lance is present -- a little late, but present.

MR. McGLYNN: We're on Item Number One.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: It's been moved and seconded. Roll call, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Senator-elect and Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number Two, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Item Number Two is the park entitled Lighthouse Center for Natural Resources Education, Block 241.12, Lots 16.03, 17.02, and 18 in Waretown, Ocean Township. The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, Division of Fish and Wildlife, requests approval to enter into a five-year lease with the Natural Resource Education Foundation of New Jersey for the development and administration of the Lighthouse Center for Natural Resource Education.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Do we have a motion and a second, please?

MR. GRAF: Move it.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Second it.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Moved and seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number Three, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Item Number Three is the park known as Allaire State Park, Block 50, Lots 11 and 12, in Howell. The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, on behalf of the Division of Parks and Forestry, requests approval to convey a .053-acre road widening easement to Monmouth County to allow the construction of a left-turn lane at the intersection of Squankum-Yellowbrook Road and Lakewood-Farmingdale Road.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: All right. There was an item on the agenda under new business that's been deleted. But I think the individuals that are concerned about that should note Number Three and see the costs of the conveyance, which is $1000, rather than hundreds of thousands.

Can we have a motion and second, please?

MS. HOLZBAUR: Second.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Okay. Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Under new business, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Item Number Four, RPR Number 97-33, Block 67, Lot 3, in Branchburg: The New Jersey Department of the Treasury requests approval to lease a DEP residential property located at 529 Old York Road in Somerset County to Deiter Heinz, for the sum of $1240 a month, for a period of four years, with annual increases.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Is there a motion, please?

MR. GRAF: So moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Moved and seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number Five, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Number Five is being held, Mr. Chairman.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Number Five is being held. That's Greystone.

Number Six.

MR. McGLYNN: RPR Number 02-01, Block 366, Lot 6, in Byram: The New Jersey Department of the Treasury requests approval to lease a DEP residential property, located at 34 Jefferson Lake Road in Sussex County, to Jefferson Lakes Camp and Travel Corporation.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Is there a motion?

MR. GRAF: So moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Second.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

I'd like to make it noted that any member of the public that cares to comment on each one, please just, at the end of it, let us know.

Number Seven, please.

MR. MCGLYNN: Number Seven, RPR Number 02-06, Block 830, part of Lot 1, in Wall: The New Jersey Department of the Treasury, on behalf of the Department of Environmental Protection, requests approval to dispose of a former employee housing residence located in Monmouth County.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion.

MR. GRAF: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Second.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number Eight.

MR. McGLYNN: RPR Number 02-07, Block 959, Lot 2, in Wall: The New Jersey Department of the Treasury requests approval to lease a DEP residential property to Robert and Charles Chelednik, located at 4165 Atlantic Avenue, in Monmouth County.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion.

MR. GRAF: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Second?

MS. HOLZBAUR: Second.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Can we take a moment now just to--

Barry, if you would like to come up and just make a comment on your concerns, and then we'll move on.

This was on the agenda. It was taken off. They just want to make a comment regarding a piece of property in Hunterdon County.

Okay. A few moments.

B A R R Y L E F K O W I T Z: I'm Barry Lefkowitz. I'm President of Management Government Resources, Inc. I'm here on behalf of Orleans Homebuilders, which is one of New Jersey's most prominent residential home builders in the State of New Jersey.

Does that give me extra money, Mike? (no response)

I have with me Meryl Gonchar, who is the attorney of record for Orleans.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: I can't hear you.

MR. LEFKOWITZ: Is it on? (referring to PA microphone)

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: It should be pretty good.

MR. LEFKOWITZ: Here it is.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: That was a low-bid microphone, so it should work. (laughter)

MR. LEFKOWITZ: That will teach you.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for giving us these few minutes to speak.

As all of you are aware, we have sent a variety of different correspondence to the Commission regarding this issue dealing with property in Clinton Township and the Water's Edge Project that the Orleans Homebuilders was building, which was based on affordable housing.

The only comment I want to make, and then I'm going to let Ms. Gonchar speak, is that the three members of the Legislature that are here have known me for a long, long time.

Senator-elect Lance, you may recall, I used to lobby you when you were in the Governor's office.

And, Mr. McGlynn, I used to come to you often when you were with Governor Kean, and we've known one another a long time. You know I'm a fairly levelheaded person, but I've got to tell you I'm absolutely outraged at what transpired yesterday, in a meeting involved with DOT and my client, in regards to the appraisal that was done on his property.

And it's most unfortunate when we leave power in the hands of certain bureaucrats to make determinations about the value of property when you've had professionals who were brought in by the State for the purpose of appraising the property.

But let me have Ms. Gonchar quickly share with you the issue. We recognize that the State House Commission, because of the fact that this land is involved now with being turned over to Clinton Township as a road for this project, that you no longer have the decision making; however, we think that it would be appropriate for the Commission to let its feelings be known in regards to what transpired from yesterday's meeting.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: We're giving the opportunity for public forum, but we passed a bill, just because of this, to allow DOT to transmit properties rather than have each one get involved in the State House Commission.

But since you're a good guy, we'll let you air your feelings, but just briefly, please.

M E R Y L A. G. G O N C H A R, ESQ.: Orleans Homebuilders is building a project that's part of Clinton Township's Fair Share Plan. The property does have frontage directly on Route 31 and was previously approved for twice the number of units with direct access onto 31.

In the course of our reducing the size of the project, we were requested to try to get left-turn access into the site from 31. The township engineers came with us. We met with DOT a number of -- two years ago, at this point, and discussed with them how to obtain left-turn entrance. They indicated they would not permit it at the location where we have access, but suggested that the way to get left-turn was to create a roadway across property they owned to tie into a jughandle that connects Route 513 and Route 31. And that was the genesis.

The project has been approved by the local planning board. With that access, a permit has been issued by DOT. And while we understand that there are certain constraints in terms of what the DOT can charge a municipality for a road, and this is always proposed to be a public road by the township, we understand and we believe that under the statutory authority what we're being asked to pay, which is $414,000 for three acres of land that is so steeply sloped, that under the township's ordinance, nothing could be constructed on it, and it could not be counted towards FAR or density.

And since it will only be improved with the slopes and the road, it seems an excessive amount, particularly when the appraisal conducted by an appraiser on the DOT's approved list indicated that the value of the property is $100,000. With regard to any restriction they may have for selling for what they purchased it, we are simply questioning the legitimacy of taking the total acreage of the site and dividing into the purchase price when the DOT themselves, in the original condemnation where they sought to obtain the property, valued different portions of the parcel at different -- significantly different amounts.

We're suggesting if this was three acres of wetlands, no one would suggest that it has the same per-acre value as uplands, where you could build. And that's simply because they've determined that we need this -- is not justification for paying, what we believe to be, an exorbitant amount for land that is for the public use.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: One question. Who is going to pay for the road construction?

MS. GONCHAR: Orleans is going to pay on behalf of the -- for the township, as part of our approval.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: All right. But you're going to pick up the cost?

MS. GONCHAR: Of the construction, absolutely.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: No cost to the township.

MS. GONCHAR: We've represented that to them, and it's part of our approval that we construct this road at no cost to them.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Thank you very much.

Any questions from any members? (no response)

Thank you, both.

MS. GONCHAR: There is a representative from the counsel for the township if the Commission has any questions. Ms. Kind (sic) from Bateman, Coley is here.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Just make a note that he is present, so he can--

MS. GONCHAR: She, Stefany.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: She.

MS. GONCHAR: I may have misspoken or not spoken loud enough. She.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Okay. Thank you.

Leonard knows that young lady.

Would you care to say anything?

Would you come forward. It doesn't mean you have to say more than seven words, because that includes your name and your firm. (laughter)

S T E F A N Y W O L F E, ESQ.: Okay. My name is Stefany Wolfe. I represent Clinton Township, on behalf of Bateman, Coley, Yospin, Kunzman, Davis, and Lehrer.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Excuse me. Is there a way to make these louder? Either I'm getting older, or-- (referring to PA microphone)

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Try that one over here.

MR. McGLYNN: Is there some reason why these are not turned.

HEARING REPORTER: We do not do the PA system. Those are the microphones for transcribing. The taller microphone doesn't amplify.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: We'll do it in Morse code. (laughter)

MS. WOLFE: My name is Stefany Wolfe. I represent Clinton Township on behalf of Bateman, Coley, Yospin, Kunzman, Davis, and Lehrer, the firm representing Clinton Township.

We have no issues with the Orleans project. Everything is fine. We are in agreement that they will pay for all the road costs. And we're just kind of here as an -- just because we're supposed to be here.

We don't have any challenges or issues at all. Everything seems fine. We're just concerned about the discrepancy between the DOT charging price and then the appraised price of $100,000.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Thank you.

Okay. We will move on to Item 9.

MR. McGLYNN: Item 9 is RPR 02-08, Block 139, part of Lot 2.01, and Block 140, part of Lot 6, in Camden. The New Jersey Department of the Treasury requests approval to grant an easement on the grounds of the New Jersey State Aquarium to Camden County to operate and maintain the Children's Garden, an interactive theme garden.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Moved and seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number 10.

MR. McGLYNN: May I, Mr. Chairman?

Assemblyman Impreveduto, I assume that you would be in the affirmative on the first eight that we dealt with.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Thank you.

Item Number Ten, RPR Number 02-09, Block 25001, part of Lot 27, in Montgomery: The New Jersey Department of the Treasury requests approval to dispose of five acres of land, located on the grounds of the North Princeton Developmental Center in Somerset County, to the Friends of Homeless Animals.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Excuse me one second.

Have they arrived at any figure for that five acres over in Montgomery, or are we going on faith here this morning?

A N T H O N Y R. M A Z Z E L L A: Mr. Chairman, that property is across the street at the McCorkel (phonetic spelling) site. We did sell them a five-acre piece several months ago. This additional five acres, we're getting appraised. It will be deed restricted. And it is only being conveyed in order for them to meet zoning requirements.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: All right. Now, the only question I ask is that they're rather touchy-feely down in Montgomery. What are they going to say now that we are going to have-- Is this 10 acres of homeless animals? I mean, they get--

MR. MAZZELLA: No, the facility that they've described to the township, in terms of getting their approvals -- their site plan approvals have been represented to us to be acceptable. Their limitation is that they don't own a 10-acre piece and would require zoning variances. So they approached us to see if we could give them an additional five acres to meet the minimum zoning. So, this is not an expansion of facilities, per se, simply a lot accommodation so that they can meet minimum zoning requirements.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Is there anyone here from Montgomery? (affirmative response)

Yes, may I hear you, please?

Come forward.

Yes. Your name and--

C H E R Y L M I L L S: Cheryl Mills, Founder and Chair of Friends of Homeless Animals.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you very much for your support on the first parcel.

I just want you to know that, for three years, we've been working with Landmarks Committee there, and they're fully supportive and very excited about this project.

There's a 10-acre overlay up there. And in order for us to do any kind of meaningful project with the first five acres and the building, which is Cedar Lodge, which is deteriorating quite substantially even as we speak-- So the county, the Landmarks, the local council are very supportive of our project. And we needed this additional five acres, even though it's primary wetlands. To be honest with you, it's not really giving us very much, but we needed it for setback requirements in order to proceed with the first five acres in a meaningful way. But we have full support of local council there -- Landmarks.

And just so you know, it's really across the street from North Princeton Developmental Center. It's on the McCorkel training swath of land on the west side of 601. So, if you're thinking that North Princeton Developmental Center on the east side, which is the large 675-acre parcel, it's really on the west side of the street, right next to and sharing the same swath of land as McCorkel training center.

Thank you very much.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Just a quick question. Is there a limitation on how much you can expand that facility?

MS. MILLS: There is a local ordinance for a land use that has already been approved locally for this. And it's up to 20,000 square feet -- is what the local ordinance provides for us. And it was written to accommodate, really, our needs.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: And in addition to the next-- If we give you this next five acres, will you be able to double the size of the facility?

MS. MILLS: We will only be able to do up to that 20,000 square feet. But as it stands right now, we really can't even do that because of the set back requirements in the wetlands. The wetlands, on even the first five acres, are really difficult to navigate. So, I think in conjunction with the requirement for the 10-acre overlay, and in addition to these wetlands problems that we have there -- the next five acres -- so it's really crucial for us to be able to really accommodate the 20,000 square feet in the ordinance. But the ordinance was written for us -- locally approved June 29 of this year, unanimously, at council up there.

Thank you very much.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Thank you.

Now, you promise that if the dogs run away or the cats run away you won't call my office the way they did when we had McCorkel School and they would run away? (laughter)

MS. MILLS: Oh, I think Assemblyman Bateman would love that. He already has a dog.

Just so you know, we are providing a community education and adoption facility. It's really all indoors. And what we're providing for the local community is actually a community center, which they are so excited about. So that's really what the plan is -- to kind of bifurcate the effort to do a community education facility and a community center for Montgomery area, which, you know, they're desperate to have something like that. So, we're already working with Anne Marie Weber, the principal of the high school, and Linda Romano, the president of the school board, to offer some programs in addition to that for noncollege bound students -- workplace-ready programs. So, we hope to really make this an education facility, as well, in that local area.

Thank you very much, Chairman.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Thank you.

Motion, first.

MR. GRAF: Motion.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Moved and seconded.

Roll call on 10, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: I'll mark Assemblyman Lance in the affirmative unless he indicates otherwise.

Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

We next move to the Department of Human Services requests.

Number 11.

MR. McGLYNN: All right.

Mr. Chairman, Numbers 11, 12, and 13 are part of the responsibilities of the State House Commission to set rates. It is done through the rate setting methodology for establishing State hospital and institutional rates.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Can we move them as one?

MR. McGLYNN: I think we can move them as one, and I'm going to use some brevity in indicating what they are, if I may, because they're set forth in the minutes, unless there are individuals in the audience--

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: There are agendas available to the people in the audience.

MR. McGLYNN: Okay.

So Item No. 11 -- we're setting the State psychiatric hospital rates at the State general psychiatric hospital of $212.42 per diem, the Arthur Brisbane Child at $489.11, the Ann Klein Forensic Center at $268.74, the Community Mental Health Center of UMDNJ at $429.94, the State developmental centers at $131.29, and the residential functional services at $82.20 with a number of footnotes that are attached and made a part of the minutes.

Number 12 covers, again, the same issues for patients residing in county psychiatric facilities pursuant to the same hospital State aid reimbursement methodology. The Bergen County Regional Medical Center for inpatient services is $622.05; the geriatric psych hospital is $282.46; the extended care acute psychiatric hospital, $428.57; acute partial psych, $188.92; outpatient psych, $174.83. Those two are for outpatient rates. The Buttonwood Hospital of Burlington County, $470.41; the Camden County Health Services Center, $433.46; Hudson County Meadowview Hospital, inpatient, $488.35; Essex County Hospital Center, inpatient, $380.94; and Union County Runnells Specialized at $494.63.

Number 13 concerns the Bergen County Regional Medical Center, again, through the same procedure. The Bergen County Regional Medical Center inpatient psychiatric will be $650.19; the geriatric psychiatric, $299.46; the Bergen County Regional Medical Center, extended acute psych, $470.50. And again, all of these are in the agenda, and they will be as part of the minutes.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Eleven to thirteen has been moved and seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number 14, please. It's the Department of Transportation.

MR. McGLYNN: Thank you.

Project Route 13, Section 1, Parcel VX27B and VX59, in Point Pleasant: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell an irregular shaped parcel of vacant land containing .083, plus or minus, acres or 3613 square feet in Ocean County at public auction for a recommended price of $9000.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion, please.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: It's been moved and seconded.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

I'd like to once again mention if anyone wants to comment, let us know.

Number 15, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Project 6, also known as Route 21, Section 8, Parcel VX5B, in Clifton: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell a triangular shaped parcel of vacant land containing 0.503 acres or 21,911 square feet in Passaic County at public auction for the recommended sale price of $153,500.

MR. GRAF: So moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Moved and seconded.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number 16, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Number 16 is Route 70, Section 13, Parcel VX71B, in Lakewood. The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell a rectangular shaped parcel of vacant land containing 1.832 acres in Ocean County, as a direct sale to the adjacent owner, for a recommended sale price of $5000.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion and a second.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Senator Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

On to the next one, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Number 17, Project FAI 104-2(4), also known as Route 1, Parcel VX46B, in Edison: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell an irregular shaped tract of vacant land containing 1554 square feet in Middlesex County to the adjacent owner at a recommended sale price of $2500.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion, please.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Second.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number 18, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Project Route 287, Section 18, Parcel VX17B, in Mahwah: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell a triangular shaped tract of vacant land containing 8973, plus or minus, square feet in Bergen County, as a direct sale to the adjacent owner, for $2500.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Second.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number 19, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Project Route 287, Section 18, Parcel VX11B and VX12B, in Mahwah: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell a triangular shape tract of vacant land containing 14,593, plus or minus, square feet in Bergen County to the adjacent owner at a recommended sale price of $3500.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion.

MR. GRAF: So moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Second?

MS. HOLZBAUR: Second.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Twenty, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Project Route 287, Section 18, Parcel VX19B and VX26B, in Mahwah: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell two separate areas of vacant land containing 12,023, plus or minus, square feet being sold jointly in Bergen County to the adjacent owner at the recommended sale price of $3200.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion, please.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Item 21 is Project 287, Section 21, Parcel VX21B, in Franklin Lakes. The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell an irregular shaped tract of vacant land containing 0.438, plus or minus, acres in Bergen County to the adjacent owner at the recommended sale price of $7500.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number 22.

MR. McGLYNN: Number 22, Project Route 287, Section 21, Parcels VX125B2 and VX125D2, in Franklin Lakes: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell an irregular shaped tract of vacant land containing 0.421, plus or minus, acres in Bergen County to the adjacent owner at the recommended sale price of $7200.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion, please.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Second.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Number 23, Project M-000S (277), Parcel VX61B, North Olden Avenue and North Clinton Avenue Intersection, in Trenton: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell an irregular shaped tract of vacant land containing 975, plus or minus, square feet in Mercer County to the adjacent owner at the recommended sale price of $1500.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: And seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Twenty-four.

MR. McGLYNN: Project Route 21 Freeway, Section 6, Parcels VX3B, VX5B, VX6B, and VX24B, in Passaic: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell an elongated, rectangular shaped tract of landlocked, vacant land containing 13,611, plus or minus, square feet in Passaic County to the adjacent owner, Beth Israel Hospital, at the recommended sale price of $850.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion, please.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Moved and seconded.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: This is Number 25, correct?

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Thank you. Project Route 30, acquired as Route 56, Section 3, Parcels VXRW11C, VXR11C1, and VXR11C2, in Absecon: The New Jersey Department of Transportation, Bureau of Right-of-Way, Property Management Unit, requests approval to sell an irregular shaped tract of vacant land containing 17,947, plus or minus, square feet in Atlantic County to the adjacent owner at the recommended sale price of $10,000.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion, please.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Now moving to the Department of Environmental Protection's requests.

MR. McGLYNN: The park name is -- Number 26 -- Sayreville Watershed Area, Block 14, Part of Lot 1.04, in Sayreville. The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, on behalf of the Borough of Sayreville, requests approval to divert approximately 0.40 acre of undeveloped parkland for the construction of an underground, 16-inch diameter, raw water pipeline in Middlesex County. The pipeline will extend from the Sayreville water recharge lagoons off Bordentown Avenue to the new AES Red Oak Power Plant off of Jerome Street. (phonetic spelling)

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion, please.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number 27.

MR. McGLYNN: The park name is Readington Township Open Space, Block 46, part of Lot 5.999, in Readington. The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, on behalf of Hunterdon County, requests approval to dispose of .029 acres of unfunded parkland for the purpose of realigning County Route 620. It's my understanding that Route 523 is known as Drayhook Road (phonetic spelling) and Route 620 is known has Halmondbrook Road. (phonetic spelling)

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Holland, Holland. (phonetic spelling)

MR. McGLYNN: Hollandbrook Road. (phonetic spelling)

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Do we have a motion, please?

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Second.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Twenty-eight, please.

MR. McGLYNN: Liberty State Park, Block 2145, Lots 43A, 43B, and part of 50Z, in Jersey City: The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, Division of Parks and Forestry, requests approval for the even exchange with Jersey City of not more than one-half acre of State land for the purpose of improving access to Liberty State Park in Hudson County.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Twenty-nine.

MR. McGLYNN: Lombardy Park, Block 13, Part of Lot 1, Newark and Green Acres, Block 1, Lot 60, in Newark: The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, on behalf of the City of Newark, requests approval to dispose of 0.406 acres of parkland to the New Jersey Department of Transportation for the purpose of roadway widening and intersection improvements to Route 21 in Essex County.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: I'll move that.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Okay. It's been moved and seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Number 30, please.

MR. McGLYNN: This is referred to as unnamed open space (future veterans' park) Block 2, Lot A, in Jersey City. The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, on behalf of the City of Jersey City, requests approval to divert approximately .09 acres of parkland for the widening of Essex Street between Hudson Street and the proposed Hudson River Walkway. The road widening will take place in conjunction with the Goldman Sachs development project.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: And seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Thirty-one, please.

MR. McGLYNN: It's Canal Park, Block 117, part of Lot 7, in Raritan: The Department of Environmental Protection, on behalf of the County of Somerset, requests approval to divert 0.488 of an acre of Canal Park for the construction of a new bridge over the Raritan River, between the Township of Hillsborough and the Borough of Raritan.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Motion, please.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Now, for the Division of Pensions requests -- judicial retirement system.

MR. McGLYNN: The first thing we need is a motion to approve the minutes of the previous meetings.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Moved.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Seconded.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Move to the financial statements of September 30, 2001.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Moved and seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Confirmation of death claims, retirements, and terminations.

Motion.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Moved.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Seconded.

Roll call.

MR. McGLYNN: Assistant Treasurer Armenti.

ASSISTANT TREASURER ARMENTI: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Holzbaur.

MS. HOLZBAUR: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Director Graf.

MR. GRAF: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Impreveduto.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Assemblyman Lance.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Yes.

MR. McGLYNN: Chairman Kavanaugh.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yes.

Anything else to come before us?

MR. McGLYNN: Nothing.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: All right.

Let's -- a little hand for the Treasurer -- the Secretary.

MR. McGLYNN: What did I do -- for getting through so--

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: So good, so good.

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: He got us out of here.

MR. McGLYNN: A moment of personal privilege, if I may.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Yeah, sure.

MR. McGLYNN: Not that I'm--

Assemblyman Lance will become Senator Lance on January 1 and, I don't think, will be a member of the State House Commission after that, because I think Senator Kavanaugh is going to stay on.

But we have known each other now for, I guess, almost 20 years, having worked together in the Kean administration. And not only do I value his guidance at times, but more importantly, I value his friendship, and I will see him, obviously, in the Senate, because I will lobby him often. But I appreciate his being prompt in attending all of these meetings.

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: Thank you, Mr. Secretary.

Mr. Chairman, it's been my pleasure to serve under your leadership on this Commission. And I will miss my service here. But I believe you have conducted all of the meetings in a completely impartial, judicious fashion, and--

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Timely, timely fashion. (laughter)

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: --and in a timely fashion. And I look forward to working with you, Mr. Chairman, in the Senate. And I have deeply appreciated the honor to serve on this Commission.

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: Thank you.

MR. McGLYNN: We don't know about Mr. Graf, where he's going to be, so-- (laughter)

ASSEMBLYMAN IMPREVEDUTO: Just a comment if I can to Senator-elect Lance.

Leonard, you're moving to a place where no one has an identity. You will no longer be Leonard, you will now be Senator. (laughter)

ASSEMBLYMAN LANCE: We'll see about that, Tony. (laughter)

SENATOR KAVANAUGH: And to all, a good night.



(MEETING CONCLUDED)